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Our discussion at first revolved around whether the “full will” meant.  Some felt it is impossible to do a once and for all letting go of virtually anything. The struggle is a continuous one. Other felts Augustine was referring to a turning point. It seemed he had through some “divine interference” been moved by the passage Rom 13:13-14 “As in the day, let us walk becomingly; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and lasciviousness, not in strife and emulation. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not take forethought for the flesh to fulfil its lusts.” (Darby)   

Experiences of struggle: You don’t know when this is going to end but you wanted it to end.You don’t even know why you are doing something, you kind of get into a habit of doing it and if you do not doing it just does not feel right.It is like it you do not sin you are not normal.   What exactly is the struggle? Is it a struggle to turn away from sin or a struggle to do things? Most of the group admitted the struggle was to turn away from sin. What kind of sin were we talking about? (Reference: the seven deadly sins are: Pride, Envy, Anger, Sloth, Greed, Gluttony, Lust) Someone even jokingly admitted to be expert on a few of these. (I do not think he was joking.)  

I suppose unless we feel the full “pain” of the struggle we are not that interested in the solution. Is Holy living that important? Does a “little” sin cause God pain? Does not a tiny neglect or omission as much an issue as a huge evangelistic preaching event? 

We brought in the recent World Cup spectacle where some of us spent some “significant” time watching the games. I suggested this may be a good example of exercising control. Some felt there must be a good reason to exercise control. Other thought the exercising of control itself is a good enough reason.  

While we were talking about the possible solutions we talked about whether we used just slogans instead of real strategies. We also talked about whether we use too much excuses. Also, the fact that we might not even be real concern about it while everything else just kept moving. Did we actually think that as life moves on, we get married, have kids and have a good paying job then these so call “fervent’ or “passion” or “fire” for God is not an issue any more?  

Conclusive slogan that may actually be able to be helpful: Sin is fun but JC is more fun…

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